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Piiiictures. I have them again. For now at least πŸ˜… they ...

Piiiictures. I have them again. For now at least πŸ˜… they disappeared completely for a while and so did I. I even contacted the support team who quickly got in touch.... only for the issue to seemingly resolve itself? No idea what is going on. In the meantime I hope you have been doing well. And in other news: the #hoya s are exploding, I'm also awaiting some new ones during the weekend because I finally found a fellow collector nearby to trade with. Oh. And I'm on the edge of the seat while on serious #pedunclewatch πŸ‘€
I can't believe that my SAO111 is finally? Already? blooming. Or at least trying to. 🀞
After my lacunosas had started my hoya obsession,the SAO111 was the first one that made me drive to my in my hoya lady's store myself because I wanted it so much. And when I was there and it was out of stock because the mother plant was cut back a lot and in gorgeously bloom, and all rooted cuttings were gone, i must have been so visibly disappointed, that the seller made an exception and gave me a cutting anyway.

Soooo let's hope this peduncle pulls through.
#hoyahangout
I'm feeling a tad mean because there are, of course, other peduncadunks in the works as well. E.g. soidaoensis, some lacunosas and bella, they are all waking up, the little darlings. Is just.... I've heard fungii and/or pubicalyx (the SAOs parents) are known for taking their sweet time with their first blooms. And I'm just so happy 😊
None of my Hoya have bloomed, ever.
Yay!!! That looks promising! πŸ₯° I love that they gave you a cutting anyway πŸ₯²

I have since found my own Hoya lady, so naturally I’ve acquired a few more. (As well as a Mathilde earlier, it’s precious)

Have you heard of the Hoya microdwarf (NS12-323)? It is so itty bitty it was love at first sight, but apparently there’s debate among house enthusiasts and scientists over whether or not it is a dischidia instead. No one has been able to get it to bloom.

Then I went full scale the other way and got this massive dinosaur Hoya finlaysonii β€˜snow splash’

I hope you have a lovely Friday πŸ«ΆπŸŒΊβ˜€οΈ
@Just1More 😞
Hmmm. Blooming conditions among hoyas can vary. How long have you had them? Which ones do you have? Generally, I love the vermonthoya site for general tips on care and blooming of more tricky species.
In general, for many that don't bloom, it's a light issue. Some can be really light hungry. Some, like the bella, are just finicky. At least mine seems to need the perfect watering frequency, or she just drops any started peduncles. Others need variation in "day length". I've followed vermonthoyas tips regarding my sp.aff. thomsonii in that regard and *almost* got it to bloom.
Oh, and many are just literal late bloomers. It's frustrating that for many the carnosas are called beginners hoyas. At least if you expected blooms. The carnosas often take years until they are mature enough for their first bloom, I've read. I'm comparison: there are some like the bella, the caudata Sumatra or the burmanica that can bloom within half a year starting from a rooted cutting. I'm lucky to have lucked out and gone for some of those early bloomers, or I probably wouldn't have had any myself by now.
@DreamMachine she is the best. πŸ˜€ It was only the first of several out of stock cuttings I've talked out of her over the last years πŸ˜…
Congrats on your very own hoya lady πŸ‘ and the Mathilde. I love her and she is such an easy grower.
Yes I've heard of the microdwarf. I've recently seen one on sale and was tempted, but flowerfixated as I am that really would be nonsense for me (though I have gotten better in that regard - still, I was pretty sure the mystery regarding it's blooms would be quite unhealthy for me. Type A, ambitious, stubborn, unreasonable person that I am πŸ™„)
It looks gorgeous, though.
🀬 now I'm tempted again.
Your haul looks terrific.
Didn't you already have a bella? And a polyneura. I'm so glad I trade for one last year. It is really taking off. At least in my climate for now she is also extremely easy to grow. I see your collection will soon dwarf my own. πŸ˜… that was a very quick descent into hoya obsession
@MusicalRedmint @DreamMachine @Just1More I love this time of year! πŸ₯° PEDUNCLE WATCH 2026! πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰πŸŽ‰
@MusicalRedmint hope things work out for you. Glad you’re getting some blooms. I’m happy for you 🫢🏽
@MusicalRedmint nope, I might have talked about wanting the Bella though. Maybe it was the burtoniae you were thinking? That was one of my first if not The First last summer and I love the fuzzy leaves πŸ₯°. And yes, now I have 19 πŸ˜‚ But I feel up to the challenge. This little buddy will bloom!! Or…you know, not πŸ˜‚
@MusicalRedmint ooh also, thank you for the Hoya website 😱 So much information there 🀀

I might have also talked about wanting a polyneura, but never made the plunge!! I love them πŸ₯°
@princesspitstop definitely. Though, truth be told, I'm starting to worry. Some of them are obviously planning world domination. Or at least apartment domination. My viola (in my collection one of hoyas with the biggest leaves) suddenly started to develop new tendrils: 5 new directions of growth at once 🫣
If I vanish completely from Greg, don't worry. It's just that reception isn't great in the jungle. And apparently I now live in one.
@Preciousplants1 thank you so much. For now it looks like they will really bloom in some days.
@DreamMachine must have gotten that mixed up. Btw: I have a beautiful non variegated burtoniae now, btw πŸ₯³. And a macrophylla. And a pub RHS. And a thomsonii white. And a villosa And a surisana. And a macgillivrayi.
And, more to the point, an obvious problem.
Did I say it was a good thing I found someone to trade cuttings with? I must have been delusional. Get out, if it's not already too late (though I suspect it is). Run!!!!
Villosa is also surprisingly deeply velvety btw. Even more than the burtoniae. Help!
@DreamMachine I never would have suspected, that Vermonthoyas was still not known to everybody deep into hoyas πŸ˜… you are very welcome. Might i follow this up with yet another recommendation? It's probably not quite everybody's cup of tea, and a very different pace, but maybe also check out basies plants on youtube. Lots of hoyas, lots of well researched knowledge, lots (and lots) of chaos (in trains of thought, surroundings and physical accidents). And all of this sprinkled with a huge dose of very nerdy humor and touches of... well, you know. Am not 100% certain, but he might be up your wheelhouse. I like to run his loooooong rambling videos as a pseudo podcast in the background from time to time.
@MusicalRedmint oh dear…my legs seem to have suddenly fallen asleep, it’s too late for me, but perhaps I may warn others! I adore my macrophylla…for some reason the baby leaves on this one seem *even smaller* than all my others, maybe because I know how large they will be in the end. Ooh, a non variegated burtoniae sounds beautiful, AND oh my…I just had to look up the villosa, from sight alone I wouldn’t have guessed it was that velvety πŸ˜±β€¦and, oh dear, I think I remember my hoya lady having this one. 😲

And a very big thank you for Vermonthoyas and basies plants! I am really just a baby hoya leaf myself, in the grand scheme of things. I only got my first one last August! So recommendations from you are especially welcome. The way you describe it, Basies plants… πŸ˜‚ I already love it, now to go find it! (Before first checking my hoya lady’s page for any of the aforementioned varieties 😬😁)
@MusicalRedmint 1 min into a besies plants video and whoops, well I don’t have a macrophylla πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ Latifolia it is! 😁 And I also realized that I had known that previously…but forgot πŸ™ƒ
@DreamMachine Yep, he is a chaotic mess of a wealth of very well-sourced knowledge. And I'm here for it. The macrophylla latifolia thing is a big pet peeve of his. Or rather inconsistencies like this in general. Who would v have thought we could relate. πŸ™ƒ have fun getting lost on his channel. He is probably the only 'influencer' I've seen that just decides to talk an hour about nomenclature / terminology - views be damned - just for funsies. while probably simultaneously repotting and accidentally destroying any poor begonia or hoya of his πŸ™ƒ only interrupting because he spotted another mealy or tries to remember for how many weeks he already forgot to water another plant across the room. Or sh%%%ts on his own trellising skills. πŸ˜€ am obviously, big fan.

Not sure about your self-description. πŸ€” given with how much dedication and zeal you seem to inhale knowledge, I'm not sure about the baby leaf. Maybe a toddler leaf? Like this one from my viola? Freshly grown Basically?πŸ˜…
@DreamMachine In any case, you go, warn the others. Maybe post a quick email while you check for your next order in the inbox πŸ˜…
The macrophylla (variegata) was initially planned as a present for my mother. She considered getting a pot of gold in the last order but then decided against it. And her b day is coming up. And now it's here, and I'm suddenly no longer sure. πŸ˜…
The villosa is a gamble. It originally wasn't included in the trade (because I also thought it didn't look this velvety. And I do have a real space issue, though I love the blooms). But apparently, the plant desperately needed help just the week before, and she took it apart to reset it. And gifted me a tiny bit. The piece of stem is relatively tiny, and the leaf shows slight yellowing in the wrong spots, but here's to hoping. 🀞
And the reason we both didn't suspect flouff is, because it's not the top of the leaf. It's the underside. It's the second in a row that surprised me like this (my piestolepis is just as flouffy underneath). So the hoya petting zoo is getting larger even when I don't specifically plan for it. πŸ™„
In that vein: Have fun shopping πŸ˜€
@MusicalRedmint ohhhhh!! 😱 Bottom leaf floofy flouff!! How delightful πŸ₯°πŸ˜±
@MusicalRedmint whoops, pressed send before I meant to. Besies plants is highly enjoyable, I looove getting into semantics 😁 His chaotic energy is quite familiar to me for some reason (oh yeah, it me!)

And question for you, before I plunge more into it myself…are wayetii and kentiana different plants? Now I have confuse
@DreamMachine πŸ˜€ it does, doesn't it? That reminds me, I need to go check on all the roots that I'm sure have grown since yesterday. πŸ™ƒ
No idea on the wayetii and kentiana debate. "I've heard it both ways" πŸ˜… and more importantly, I've not paid a lot of attention when I did, because those are among the few I'm not as interested in. Don't ask me why, couldn't say. Can't be leaf shape or flower shape alone, since I have hoyas with either similar leaves or flowers already and love them πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ but it's pronounced enough that it even held me back from finally getting the sulawesiana in trade. I always see the blooms, think "oooooh, I need it". And when I get close to ordering it (or, in this case, realize I could get one in trade for a fraction of what I would usually pay), I take another look at the leaves and am out. Which to me is wild. Have you *seen* the blooms? But the leaves are somehow wayetii-i to me and that's enough. And I have no clue why πŸ˜….
I'm sorry to have no answers. But speaking of chaotic energy: should you indeed start diligently watching miro, I'm sure you will eventually stumble upon the needed information snippet. right in between a fertilizer recommendation and a rant about people who pseudoscientifically claim that using copper trellises generally harms all plants.
@MusicalRedmint oh my…I have NOW 😱 What are those flowers even?? Real? Actually just fuzzy berries someone glued on??

And, I totally understand. The leaf has to interest me as well as the flowers, otherwise, it turns into one of those plants I just forget about. πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ But also…it doesn’t have to make *sense* why you hold out on a particular leaf. πŸ˜… I see it as that kind of instinct you get when meeting certain people. Some just rub you the wrong way!

Miro is also doing wonders for my wishlist πŸ˜‚
@DreamMachine πŸ˜… Ha! where do you think I got the idea that grew into the obsession that I needed a patella and a dennisii? Sorry to have done this to you. Or rather :
shhht! 🀫 he might also have posted one or two pictures on insta. I'm sure that particular bit of information will help immensely with the problem of the accelerated growth of your wishlist. And you know me: always happy to help.
And yep, those sulawesiana flowers are wild. I'm not sure though, how long they stay the way that some pictures show them. I always find it hard to gauge, which pictures are genuinely the look of the fully opened flowers and which ones are just deliberate snapshots during the time they still develop ... like you often see with flowers that will bend their petals completely to the back of the flower (sry for the non botanical language, you know what i mean, don't you? It's been a long day. I mean like the burtoniae or lacunosas).
And as for the leaf shape: yes, I would be okay if it were just that. But then riddle me this: why do I still love my shepherdii and Minibelle to bits of it were just a leaf thing?
Dang, I wish I had decided to take the sulawesiana anyway. Hmpf.
@MusicalRedmint now I need a shepardii and a mini belle πŸ˜‚ The mini belle was on my maybe list, but if you love it, it just got a significant jump up in ranking 😁 Non botanical language completely understood loud and clear. The sulawesiana (other than the flowers) also perhaps looks a bit messy? What is up with all those aerial roots? At least from VH pictures. I don’t know. I really have no explanation, although I too feel the same way. Oooh more pics on insta! (Squirrel!)
@DreamMachine Yep, those roots were also a big point against it for me. *however*, to be fair, maybe he just kept it in a very high humidity grow tent. Miro also had many in them for a long time and of course that leads to a messier look. But even then, I don't know whether he did it because he thought it required the humidity or especially bright light. So the decision stands.
And speaking of messy: though I feel honored regarding any impact my greenery preference and dubious plant and life choices might have, I feel I need to clarify that the Minibelles' leaves are... special. They at times grow very wonky. Not because something is wrong, but because that's just what she does, apparently. But who am i to judge. they are her own leaves, after all. And she makes up for them with gorgeous, and more importantly deliciously fragrant blooms. (Which she obviously got from the shepherdii parentage. And the shepherdii is even capable to grow 100%straight leaves all the time. I'm sure he uses that unfair comparison to put her down daily, so I made sure she got some space on another shelf. I don't allow toxicity on my shelves. Literal or figurative.
Oof, it's way past this old women's bed time. I wanted to get some rest on today, but like you said: squirrel! πŸ˜€ anyway have a great (and hopefully earlier) evening with lots of rest and dreams of hoyas. I'll leave you with some wonky leaves to demonstrate my point.
@MusicalRedmint whoops, well, I did actually, and unintentionally, go off chasing said figurative squirrel 🐿️ And ah yes, your mirabelle is following her own special path isn’t she? (Do you find your burtoniae does this too? My variegated one does, but he’s also one of my speediest growers. It’s like he can’t be pressed with details because the race is on! I’m glad your minibelle got space on another shelf, that shepardii probably just isn’t even aware of his own privilege, tsk tsk.

I do sure hope you are sleeping now, having dreamy hoya dreams βœ¨πŸ˜΄πŸŒ™ And you know, I was quite amused by my own dreams last night as I watched several of Miro’s videos yesterday and then DID proceed to have a very intense dream about Hoyas and orchids, and I’m prettyyyyyy sure I was in Serbia. πŸ˜… (I had watched the video of him discovering fusarium on his old and established vanda right before bed 😭😭😭, so I mean, I would be surprised if that *didn’t* end up in my dreams…I was also a secret agent… πŸ•΅οΈ *cue mission impossible theme*) Anyhoo, I hope your dreams are a lot more restful 😌

I’ll leave you with the very intensely red sun stressed leaves of my Australia Lisa…so vibrant! She’s showing off 😲
@DreamMachine
I know what you mean with the sp.aff.burtoniae. yeah, my variegated is also very wavy. At first it confused me, but after a while, I've decided not even to research or ask about it and just label it as not a bug but a feature. It can look pretty.
But in the case of the Minibelle, it's different. I'm sure it's not only my plant. I've looked. It just sometimes does that. Some of the leaves come out very straight. And some don't. And the effect is not like with the burtoniae. It's not that they grow still grow in a "normal" shape and then get stuck kind of wavy when they harden. But rather the leaves get ruffled edges. not pretty ruffles (sorry, dear belle). More like the undulata, for example. But irregular. And weirder because on those more succulent leaves it looks kind of wrong.

But that's enough negativity: To date, at least to my own nose, it has the best fragrance among my (granted not terribly many) hoyas that have already bloomed for me. And the freshest fragrance. Like a slightly sweet flowery grassy meadow. The burtoniae comes close, but tbh, I don't think you can compare those two because the burtoniae doesn't even smell like a flower to me.
@DreamMachine
Beautiful Lisa btw. Is yours also exploding with spring growth spurts?
Oh. And your dreams sound wild. Maybe very apropos, considering your Greg handle. That will teach me to be flippant about something as serious as weirdly obsessive Serbian plant youtubers, hoyas, and dreams.

I would say you should resign from your plant hobby immediately given the state of your subconscious. if it even leads to dreams like this, maybe it's time.
....
but then I remembered that just 2 hours ago, I took a haphazard look at my most recent blood work, and my eyes stayed fixed on the potassium levels without me knowing why.
Why is that relevant, you ask? Let me continue.
So, my mind subconsciously flags my potassium levels as "relevant, check those" with a kind of "wait a minute, I'll just take a quick look if those are within the norm" kind of feeling. Which, honestly, I found a bit weird, since I didn't know where that feeling/ impulse came from, so I actively tried to remember why I'm suddenly interested in my potassium levels. But hey, I'm a bit more scatterbrained than usual rn and have a lot of health stuff going on, so maybe I forgot something?
Of course, the very helpful back of my mind obliged and supplied the logical answer: "to check if they are high enough to account for the persisting magnesium deficiency".
To which my more present mind - if you can even call it that - was relieved and responded: yes, sure, that sounds logical. Too much potassium might mean not enough magnesium is taken in, I just read up on that. Makes sense. That's why you want to take a look.
And then I thought, wait, what? I have a magnesium deficiency? since when? Huh?
And while I still kept staring at those potassium levels and was trying to figure out if the out of focus numbers behind it were too high, all the while running this slightly concerning back and forth in the back of my mind, it hit me:

No. I, I'm fact, do not have a magnesium deficiency.

However, my white bella, walli, 'Kicki' and one or two orchids do show signs of one. 😬😬😬 true story, I swear.

So, long story short, you do you, Queen. plant on, be the secret agent of your own pseudoserbian jungle in your dreams. No judgment here. Can't afford it. Now, if you will excuse me, I'll need to look up which city in Germany has the worst asphalt to greenery ratio and plan a lengthy vacation. Or better yet, a move into a windowless basement apartment. All of this is getting seriously unhinged.
@MusicalRedmint I have just woken up, and cackle-wheezed my way through this, if not because you have so perfectly voiced the to and fro between my own brains conversations with itself. πŸ˜‚ β€˜What! What am I talking about to me?! β€˜ (Also, If you ever write a book I’ll be the first to buy it. Regardless of the topic)

I’m trying to blink away sleep but my daughter brings up a good point. Who WOULD win in a battle of demon cats, Derpy of Kpop demon hunters, versus ChaChaMaru, who has a library of demon blood on a necklace of some sort? πŸ€” Hmm, ChaChaMaru’s origin unknown, I shall have to look into this. But it’s okay because she answered her own question. They would probably just stare at each other. Well, πŸ‘ that settles that problem.

Where we we? Oh yes, sp.aff.burtoniae πŸ˜„ I am glad to hear wavy leaves might be a common experience because unlike certain other little things that I obsessively launch into research mode about, this one specifically was avoided, in case it turned out to: Be A Worrisome Thing. But in dear belle’s case, that actually kind of makes me want her more as those flowers sound *wonderful.* If I could just back track for a sec and say perhaps there are cases where singly the flower could make me search it out for my collection. *takes furious notes* But the burtoniae is supposed to be more caramel-y, right? I have high hopes and expectations of all my hoya children this year, for first blooms. I told them I expect nothing less than A+ β€˜s πŸ“ 🍎 🏫

I will leave you with the blooms I have outdoors right now, as I rush off to take my kiddo to school. Our beast of a wisteria. So far she has taken down her own arbor and has high hopes for the carport. But she sure does look and smell pretty. 🀩
@MusicalRedmint whoops photos
@DreamMachine waah. Life is life-ing a lot rn. Read your answer, was flattered, will respond in usual unhinged and lengthy manner when life is less life-y. All remaining energy and time went into sad orchid text and I'm all out for now. Love the wisteria (which btw is called blue rain in German. Some say, we are very literal, can't see it, though).
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