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Posted 1Y ago by @RulerMoonflower

What happened? Green but wilted

#EuropeanRedRaspberry

Not the kind of update I wanted to see. I'm wondering what happened? It was doing fine right into week 2

However, I did remember switching on an extra growlight earlier before this happened. Could the light be too intense? Or is this an overwatering problem?

I did watered 120ml yesterday which was half the amount recommended by Greg.

Included before and after pics
6โ€ pot with drainage
Last watered 1 year ago
Do you have a photo showing the entire plant?Based on these pics, the one thing that jumped out at me is the pot size, looks way too big for it. That can lead to overwatering, and ultimately root rot. May I ask why you watered it half the recommended amount? I'm not suggesting you should follow Greg's watering reminders to a tee, they're more suggestions than anything. Just wondering what the plant was telling you that led you think it needed less water than usual ๐Ÿ˜›

On the subject of watering, the correct way to water is more about frequency than amount. You should only be watering when the soil feels almost completely dried out, then water it thoroughly till pours out the drainage holes. Watering a smaller amount won't benefit your plant or prevent root rot, and can actually lead to symptoms of underwatering.
Hi, thanks for the reply. Pot size is 16cm(width), 14.5cm(height). The plant is actually a bareroot which was planted in less than half the depth of the pot. My reasoning was less soil therefore reduce the full amount of water recommended.

Water did flow out the drain holes when I watered, yesterday. I find it rather strange coz this batch of plants were going almost 2 weeks without watering.

Why? I did the the soil moisture sensor thing before watering and it was around low - average. Can soil stay moist after two whole weeks? We've had more stormy weather than sunny, if that helps.

All plants are housed in the garage under growlights. I'm just a bit mystified lol
@RulerMoonflower gotcha, watering half the recommended amount makes sense now ๐Ÿ˜› Several factors could keep the soil moist for that long. One I already mentioned, pot size. Others include type of soil, humidity levels, and how much light it receives. I'm curious, did it start out with any leaves or was it a bare stem? Also, what type of soil are you using? Any amendments added in?
Cool! My soil is a premix of coarse river sand, perlite, rice hulls, burnt rice hulls, and potting mix. All this for the sake of improving the drainage and make it nice and light which it did just that - drains really well. I'm just wondering how to help it dry faster in between waterings? To keep the roots out of trouble.

I've grown a bit of raspberry quite successfully here, so it's not the case of if it's suitable. The trick is to help them grow till they are stronger to adapt.

It receives full spec growlight for 6-8 hours everyday.

Yeah and it started off as a bare stem, and green decides to say hi about five days later.

Humidity here can range 75pc on hotter days, and up to 98pc during stormy days.

Appreciate the help loads!!
Thanks!
@stephonicle just a smol update! It came back this morning. I don't know how long it will last tho...lmaoooo
@RulerMoonflower nice! So are you thinking the wilted leaves were due to under watering? If they perked back up the day after you watered, that's the likely culprit ๐Ÿ˜›

Also in response to your previous comment (I know I started typing it last night, guess I fell asleep before hitting send lol)...the best way I know of to help soil dry out faster is using terracotta pots. My home is quite humid (similar to your humidity level), so I'm constantly dealing with soil staying damp too long for my plants in non-porous pots. Another thing you can try that helps is regularly aerating the soil with a chopstick or similar inserted all around the pot. Use it to basically till/fluff up the soil, which creates channels allowing oxygen to reach the roots. It also helps prevent soil from compacting around the root ball. Aerating the soil also helps dry it out, but it's nowhere near as effective as switching from plastic to terracotta. One last thing I wanted to mention...raspberries need a ton of organic matter, so while your soil mix is great for drainage, it might not contain enough compost material. My go to for plants that like a lot of organic matter is earthworm castings.
Great idea with terracotta! I think you're onto something Abt more porous pot options. I remember having much better results with nonwoven fabric pots than plastic. Idk how some people managed to successfully grow them in plastic, but maybe still a skill issue for me lol.

Good tip with the organic matter. Next season, I can also try directly planting them in garden beds, generously water, throw mulch over them and let them cook xD

Initially, the reason I started them in growbags and pots is because I wanted to transfer them to a much conducive location ( with bsf castings or vermicompost added ) once they are well rooted and growing well.

Great tips! I'll probably get to try them next season in November when bareroots start becoming available again.cheers
Oh and about the wilted leaves? I'm not too sure tbh but it did feel I overwatered. That's because I left it on some newspaper to soak up any excess moisture.

This morning, it perked right back up.

And abt the your message? Dun worry! I've also sent a few replies, but Greg sometimes eats them all up. It happens.

Thanks again for all the helpful advice. Hope you're also getting enough sleeps :))